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Clarissa F · Apr 15, 2008, 03:51 AM // 03:51

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Originally Posted by Toxage

How do you know the amount of finances for Guild Wars 2?

In an interview with Jeff Strain, he said they had 45 million for GW2. Sorry to burst that smarmy remark.

kratimas · Apr 15, 2008, 03:52 AM // 03:52

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Originally Posted by Toxage

Arena Net has had the last straw with me with their currents focus on Guild Wars 2. I love Guild Wars; I have played over 2,000 hours.

Sorry, but I think this statement alone kills your whole argument.

For me I can't think of a single game that I have paid so little for and been able to play for over 2,000 hours. I think that the fact you have put this much time into it show they have put out a quality product, to be able to hold your interest for such a long time.

I have gotten more then my moneys worth out of the game and still continue to play to this day.

It is really getting quite boring reading all these QQ threads saying "Damn ANet I need to change my hair style.", "We need an AH", blah blah blah.

If you spent over 2,000 hours of you life playing this game then I can't see you having anything to complain about.

But, hey that’s just me.

Krat

Kook~NBK~ · Apr 15, 2008, 04:37 AM // 04:37

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Originally Posted by Toxage

Arena Net has had the last straw with me with their currents focus on Guild Wars 2. I love Guild Wars; I have played over 2,000 hours.

2,000 hours? Must have SOME level of enjoyment for you.

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But, Arena Net is starting to make me worried. I understand you want to make Guild Wars 2 amazing. I understand that video games take large amounts of work, money, and time.

But please don't abandon your community. It makes no sense. You need to still maintain your current franchise. I know you are trying, but you need to try a little more

They're not abandoning their community, they're not dumb enough to do that. They're counting on a large number of sales from their existing player base. There's still the regular bug fixes, special events, new items, etc.

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Imagine if this were to happen in a restaurant.

Customer: Hi, I would like some Dr. Pepper with a Cheeseburger done medium well.

Waiter: All right, should be about 10 minutes.

Customer: Uhhh... It has been an hour... where is my food?

Waiter: Oh here it is! Here is your water and lettuce!

Customer: I ordered Dr. Pepper and a Cheeseburger

Waiter: We apologize that you didn't get what you wanted, but in a couple years from now we will one amazing restaurant, so come back then and it will be better.

Your analogy fails. With GW, auction house & hair stylists aren't on the menu - never have been. You did get what you paid for when you bought the game.

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The community has longed for:

-More character customization (Nothing)

Insignias for armor, so you're armor choices aren't limited by energy/armor/health mods. Several new armor sets in GW:EN, and White & brown dyes with a armor dying preview screen.

(can't comment on the PvP stuff)

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-A Better Trading System; Spamming for HOURS to sell something is horrible. Your band-aid attempt to fix this was pathetic. (Make an auction house. Or design another system. How about a system that would allow me to make a little stand and go afk, and people could purchase my goods for the set price if they wanted)

Party search is an inelegant approach to the problem, but it IS an improvement. As for the auction house, they've said from early on that they just can't do it.

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You don’t even need to think of ideas. Just go to the suggestion forum here and use those ideas! How easy is that? You don’t even need to think anymore!

They have incorporated many suggestions form these forums and made many positive changes that they came up with on their own.

Yes, they've shifted their focus to GW2, but they haven't abandoned GW1 in any way. And I don't see anything wrong with taking care of business now while working on the business of the future, which is exactly what they're doing.

Ace2001 · Apr 15, 2008, 04:48 AM // 04:48

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Originally Posted by Lady Syve

Why do people like you still pop up? Hasn't this been discussed to death yet?

But back on topic, the reason we're not getting Hairdressers, Auction Houses and whatever else you want is because THEY CAN'T! The current engine does not allow for such things. This is exactly why they are working their asses off to make a game that DOES include these things and who knows what else. I, for one, am glad that they are focusing so much on GW2. And have you noticed by any chance all the updates in the past couple of months? It's not like they've completely forgotten about GW1.

And how hard is it to just appreciate all that Anet has done for us thus far (and it's a crap-load if you really want to make a list). Don't you like the frequent updates? The constant balances? The beautiful art? Or did you just spend those 2000 hours in agony as you were forced to play Guild wars?

You have absolutely no right to demand things from Anet. It is a privilege to play such an awesome game with no monthly fee. Instead of yelling "Moar!!" we should all send "thank you" letters en mass.

You should be ashamed of yourself for your childish demands and lack of respect.

...I, I think I love you. Will you bear my children? *Miroku voice*

But in all honesty, I agree with you 100%. People need to realize how hard Anet has worked, and thank them for it.

(Yes, I made a typo. Lets all point and laugh. :P)

Savio · Apr 15, 2008, 05:11 AM // 05:11

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Originally Posted by Ace2001

Will you bare my children?

You are a sick and twisted individual. Or perhaps you mean "bear."

Killed u man · Apr 15, 2008, 05:12 AM // 05:12

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Originally Posted by Ace2001

...I, I think I love you. Will you bare my children? *Miroku voice*

But in all honesty, I agree with you 100%. People need to realize how hard Anet has worked, and thank them for it.

No, I won't thank them. They made an amazing game (I have played 3000+ hours), but saying they worked "hard" over the course of the past few years is saying I worked hard over the past few years (Bullcrap, seeing I played a game instead)...

Ever since prophecies, it went downhill, everyone can see that. As stated before, GWEN=slapsomeoldskinstogetherandaddsomethingeveryo newants (HoM)...

No, I'm NOT asking/begging for more content, because I know I've payed for what I have now. But where would Microsoft be if they "just" allowed you to buy Windows (OS), and then you could simply f*ck off, no Service Packs, no this, no that...
No, in overal, MS stayed friendly AND active towards their "player"-base, and now they are still the largest OS around. Sure, also have alot of people "bashing" MS for not having enough security, bottle-necking a few companies (With IE as their "set" Internet Client) BUT this doesn't change the fact that they KEPT trying to satisfy over a 100 million customers every day...

No, I won't buy GW2. Simply because I know it will be a MMORPG again. Anet can NOT handle the pressure/devotion needed to maintain a MMORPG. The intire GW-franchise should have been a RPG all along (Like Oblivion).
Once again, Prophecies (Faction-NF-Gwen in descending orders aswell) was an amazing game, but it went downhill (With GWEN being: meh). I still praise Anet for succesfully consuming over 3000 hours, of which I have no regret, of time playing/farming/PvP'ing/...
Yet I do feel this was it. If feel that the last 2 years it was ME making the effort of making the game fun. (Let's the say ATLEAST half the time I invested in GW) I had to make my own challenges (Get FoW, try and do a farm under XX seconds, get Champion title, etc...) with Anet giving me the ammount of content. This is not intirely as it should have been, imo. Because ALOT of people right now have the feeling the last few years, they played to play. Simply to feed their addiction, because they have nothing better to do, or due to lack of another game. (Starting with WoW so late is the same as with GW, you missed the train, no point in starting with those games now)

As a final note:
I can only hope Anet puts more devotion into GW2.
Person: "Anet, we don't absolutely NEED Character Customization, but it would be NICE to have it, for free"
Anet: "Here you go, CC, exactly what was needed for you to enjoy the game more"
... (Replace Character Customization by anything you want)
But I won't be there to see it for 2 reasons:
-> Life is taking over, getting 19 pretty soon, going out way more, work, etc...
-> GW experience, just HOW long will it take for Anet to hide behind the next excuse? "We're working on GW3, we CAN'T give you Character Customization!"

My 2 cents,

Peace

Redfeather1975 · Apr 15, 2008, 05:14 AM // 05:14

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Originally Posted by Savio

You are a sick and twisted individual. Or perhaps you mean "bear."

Thanks for the laugh. I didn't notice that post you quoted till now.

Protect the babies!

Alex Morningstar · Apr 15, 2008, 05:17 AM // 05:17

You get what you pay for.

It's early in the morning and my math is shaky, but say you bought all the campaigns and the expansion (when they were new at full price) which would be around $180ish USD. At 2000 hours clocked, that's 83 and a third FULL days. Be a little more realistic and spread this out over 5 hours a day instead of 24 hours non-stop gaming and you get 500 days (hardcore gamer) , about a year and a half, play less often and it's closer to 2 years.

A year and a half+ of entertainment for a paltry $180 is pretty damn good. That's less than if you went and saw a movie once a week. Less than some people pay for car insurance.

You get the idea. Now, with this money, Anet pays for support personel, CRMs, skill balancers, all the weekend warrior events and GW2's production.

Yeah. Reread sentence #1.

No, I'm not brownnosing, as there are stuff I wish would be implimented or looked after more than it is, but I like to think I'm being a little more realistic. Online game companies do not follow the customer is always right model.

Cuthroat Dibbler · Apr 15, 2008, 05:17 AM // 05:17

With up to 2 more years of development to go (you honestly believe an IT project of GW2's scope is coming in less than 3 years?!?!) and a crooked Tourney system what do expect.

Theres no money for content silly... its for peoples pockets... and the closer you are to the Towers, the better your chances. Now move along nothing to see

RavagerOfDreams · Apr 15, 2008, 05:22 AM // 05:22

ummmm they are working on this stuff for you its called GW2

imagine if they implement all the cool stuff we want now then what would we have to look forward to in gw2 besides the playable races?

i agree that pvp could use some changing but outside of that save it for gw2 imo

jcrayon · Apr 15, 2008, 05:23 AM // 05:23

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

No, I won't thank them. They made an amazing game (I have played 3000+ hours), but saying they worked "hard" over the course of the past few years is saying I worked hard over the past few years (Bullcrap, seeing I played a game instead)...

You, and so many of the other whiners have your head so far up yourself that it makes me howl with laughter.

I would love to hear your opinion once you get a real job in a real company that makes real products and learn how the real world works.

You're the same as the OP. More than 3000 hrs of game play for how much?

Let's do the math. Assuming you have all 3 major chapters + BMP ...
= $50 + $50 + $50 + $45 <- Presume we're working $US here.
= $195 for 3000 hrs
= 6.5c per hr

Name me any single other long term ongoing entertainment activity you can enjoy for 6.5c per hr.

You and the OP typify the whining, ungrateful, selfish pack that seems to make up so much of this forum.

Bravo to Arenanet for their exceptional products and services.

-JC

ShoGunTheOne · Apr 15, 2008, 05:24 AM // 05:24

they DID add new weapons recently, didn't they?

Bront · Apr 15, 2008, 05:25 AM // 05:25

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Originally Posted by Lady Syve

But back on topic, the reason we're not getting Hairdressers, Auction Houses and whatever else you want is because THEY CAN'T! The current engine does not allow for such things.

That's not entirely true. The engine origionaly didn't have code for Rune Traders, but they were implimented. The Dye systems and Armor systems have changed dramaticly as well.

If they had the time and resources, they could make any of those things, though the more they change, the harder it becomes to make additional changes. However, your next comment explains better why they don't have the time and resources.

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Originally Posted by Lady Syve

This is exactly why they are working their asses off to make a game that DOES include these things and who knows what else. I, for one, am glad that they are focusing so much on GW2. And have you noticed by any chance all the updates in the past couple of months? It's not like they've completely forgotten about GW1.

Exactly. GW2 will have many more features built in that we have been demanding, improvements that A.net feels will be better for the game and community, and hopefully slightly more flexible code to allow for tweaks and changes as the community discovers it needs/wants.

I find it entertaining when people say "A-Net doesn't care about GW anymore". They still maintain the servers, offer regular balance tweaks, events, and live support people. If you had bought this as a stand alone game, the updates would have stopped a long time ago. It is not a subscription service, but it still is selling well enough to put money in the coffers, and that continued revenue stream means they need to pay some attention to it.

Now, if something broke and they failed to fix it (RA suddently didn't work, Map Travel to Ascelon didn't function properly, players couldn't leave Pre-Searing), THEN it would be an issue of them abandoning the game. However, if I do recall, the most recient big error (The PvP break with armor on April 1), they did indeed fix halfway though the day.

Right now, GW is on cruise control. Minor updates, tweeks, and fixes mostly. I've seen rumors of the Trading House in the code, but don't expect any large scale changes beyond new drops, skill balances, and the occasional bug fix. Honestly, mostly things that require little technical support, and potently involve the artists who aren't needed for GW2 quite yet. If something major comes up, perhaps they get something for GW2 they can easily impliment and test in GW, or some intern figures out the key to unlocking something major in his spare time, then great, that's a bonus.

If this were a game like Halo, Madden, or even Oblivion, players wouldn't be screaming for "new features". And how many of those games do you get 2000 hours of play from? I've been a GW addict since January, so I'm fairly new, but I've found a fun game, that has been a value for my money even after buying 3 expansions (the first one was a gift). If I were to grow tired of GW, I'd move on to something else, not demand that they changed and fixed it.

This is a game that's almost 3 years old, and you can only squeeze so much out of it at this point from a DEV perspective.

MoriaOrc · Apr 15, 2008, 05:26 AM // 05:26

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Originally Posted by Cuthroat Dibbler

an IT project of GW2's scope

GW isn't an IT project in any traditional sense of the word...

Surena · Apr 15, 2008, 05:49 AM // 05:49

Apparently 2000(!) hours of playtime doesn't equal in a successful product indeed.

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Originally Posted by Toxage

You don’t even need to think of ideas. Just go to the suggestion forum here and use those ideas! How easy is that? You don’t even need to think anymore!

And the money for all these shiny projects stems from where? You?

All this whining (Anet doesn't care, Anet has abandoned us, Anet has your money already..., but it's so easy, just use Sardelac, haha, no other inspiration needed!) proves that most here are either very young/naive or have never worked outside "lawn mowing", "selling ice-cream" or being a paperboy if they worked at all (some students here are amazing too).

Master Knightfall · Apr 15, 2008, 05:58 AM // 05:58

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Originally Posted by Toxage

Arena Net has had the last straw with me with their currents focus on Guild Wars 2. I love Guild Wars; I have played over 2,000 hours.

But, Arena Net is starting to make me worried. I understand you want to make Guild Wars 2 amazing. I understand that video games take large amounts of work, money, and time.

But please don't abandon your community. It makes no sense. You need to still maintain your current franchise. I know you are trying, but you need to try a little more

Could you imagine if this were to happen in other businesses?

Imagine if this were to happen in a restaurant.

Customer: Hi, I would like some Dr. Pepper with a Cheeseburger done medium well.

Waiter: All right, should be about 10 minutes.

Customer: Uhhh... It has been an hour... where is my food?

Waiter: Oh here it is! Here is your water and lettuce!

Customer: I ordered Dr. Pepper and a Cheeseburger

Waiter: We apologize that you didn't get what you wanted, but in a couple years from now we will one amazing restaurant, so come back then and it will be better.

I feel like this is happening in Guild Wars.

The community has longed for:

-More character customization (Nothing)

-More PvP Maps (HA has had the same maps for how long?)

-More PvP Styles (Hero Battles Doesn’t Cut It)

-A Better Trading System; Spamming for HOURS to sell something is horrible. Your band-aid attempt to fix this was pathetic. (Make an auction house. Or design another system. How about a system that would allow me to make a little stand and go afk, and people could purchase my goods for the set price if they wanted)

-More Interesting Boss fights; Boss fights in their current form are pathetic. They are just regular monsters buffed up a few levels with a glow around them. Boss fights need to feel heroic and epic. Bosses should be more unique. Bosses need unique skills (Take a current skill and tweak it) audio effects, unique skins (If your going to reuse skins at least SLIGHTLY alter them to make it look like you care a microscopic amount add some fiery or frost effects or some wings, fangs, arms, legs, heads, etc… )

You don’t even need to think of ideas. Just go to the suggestion forum here and use those ideas! How easy is that? You don’t even need to think anymore!

And here we have another dead horse beater, when will they ever learn it's not going to do anygood or change anything as long as GW2 is in development and I highly doubt really after then as they will be wanting to keep improving GW2 then not this old and retired game.

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Anet aren't doing anything because they already have your cash, so don't need to make the game better to keep you paying.

In answer to this I would ask: If you aren't keeping me happy in your 1st store, why should I shop later on in your 2nd store? I know Anet ain't gonna do anything, but, this would still be my question to them if I could have direct questioning to someone of importance.

Killed u man · Apr 15, 2008, 06:17 AM // 06:17

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Originally Posted by jcrayon

You, and so many of the other whiners have your head so far up yourself that it makes me howl with laughter.

I would love to hear your opinion once you get a real job in a real company that makes real products and learn how the real world works.

You're the same as the OP. More than 3000 hrs of game play for how much?

Let's do the math. Assuming you have all 3 major chapters + BMP ...
= $50 + $50 + $50 + $45 <- Presume we're working $US here.
= $195 for 3000 hrs
= 6.5c per hr

Name me any single other long term ongoing entertainment activity you can enjoy for 6.5c per hr.

You and the OP typify the whining, ungrateful, selfish pack that seems to make up so much of this forum.

Bravo to Arenanet for their exceptional products and services.

-JC

Ok, but read my intire post next time... I'm not whining, I know I got more than I payed for...
I never claimed it wasn't cheap entertainment, because it is, and quote mysemf: "I praise Anet for making such a terrific game"...

This doesn't mean Anet couldn't have done more... In the "actual" world, as you like to call it, most people ARE like sheep (As are you apparently) and they only see what the major companies wants them to see. What you don't (Want to) see however, how LITTLE effort Anet actually put into their last games... (Factions-NF-GWEN, once again in descending order)

I DON'T want more content (Ok, mayby for PvP, I would LOVE to see HA active again, but that's more player-base related I gues), I just hate to see people "eating" all this bullcrap Gaile, and the other Pr-related people fed us the past years.

PR: "Anet is working REALLY HARD on this issue, but they are VERY busy with GW2"

No, Anet WORKED really hard on Prophecies, and from there on they enjoyed our money and went on vacation, ALOT... I can't blame 'em, I would do it myself IF I had the money, yet there is no point in ackowledging something such as: "Anet works really hard to keep us satisfied", cuz let me tell you: ALL these "events", skill updates, bug fixes, ... well most can be done (Seeing we get 1 update a week) in a day... (Also, I hope you realize EVERY event is a copy/paste of last year's, with a new bell and whistle on some walls)
BMP did in fact have some new skins (Even map-wise), but nonethless, you don't have to look far to see WHY this might be so: We are once again paying for it. (+BMP is VERY limited, complete this in less than 3-4 hours)

mr_groovy · Apr 15, 2008, 06:19 AM // 06:19

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Originally Posted by Toxage

My bad, I want to play a good games.
Where is the content then? Oh ya, that's right there is none. Sure looks like hard work to me.

Wasn't this the que to lock this thread? Kthxbai.

Exoudeous · Apr 15, 2008, 06:32 AM // 06:32

Most people still are missing the point that the whole reason they are making a second is to fix all the problems that plague 1.

if they simply wanted to milk you for money they would be churning out expansions every 6 months like planned, instead of taking a risk and spending a huge amount of money to make an entirely new game.

it still amuses me to see people say they could just do this or that to fix the game as if game development is as easy as pushing a magic fix button.

Lady Syve · Apr 15, 2008, 06:36 AM // 06:36

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Originally Posted by Bront

That's not entirely true. The engine origionaly didn't have code for Rune Traders, but they were implimented. The Dye systems and Armor systems have changed dramaticly as well.

If they had the time and resources, they could make any of those things, though the more they change, the harder it becomes to make additional changes. However, your next comment explains better why they don't have the time and resources.

Yes, you are absolutely correct. I just didn't feel like getting into specifics. Though I do remember it being stated somewhere that the Hairdresser and Auction House would not be implemented in GW1 because the engine would not allow for it. However, it could be just a simple way of saying "We can technically do it, but it would require so much work and fooling around with the engine that it's not even worth it."

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

This doesn't mean Anet couldn't have done more... In the "actual" world, as you like to call it, most people ARE like sheep (As are you apparently) and they only see what the major companies wants them to see. What you don't (Want to) see however, how LITTLE effort Anet actually put into their last games... (Factions-NF-GWEN, once again in descending order)

Okay, I'm not sure where you get off from telling people what they need to think and that their opinions are stupid and worthless. You can't possibly just lump everyone into your herd of sheep that eat up everything the PR spits out.

I only started playing several months before Nightfall came out, and I only started reading all the "bullcrap" that Gaile and the PR staff have been trying to feed the poor unsuspecting populace about 6 months ago. Before that, I really enjoyed both Prophesies and Nightfall for what they were. In fact, I loved and still love both games equally. How could I be a sheep if I was not aware of the herd? You should just accept that people have different opinions from yourself and stop blaming it on sheep mentality.

In any case, it seems that Anet didn't recreate Prophesies for you, so you rage-quit. But what would happen if they did do that? Prophesies II, Prophesies III, and Prophesies Ia... You would be sitting at your computer and QQing about the lack of innovation and change, and that poor you is bored out your mind playing with the same stuff over and over again. Try and remember that neither Anet not NCSoft work to please you alone. They work to please millions of people. And if you don't fit into those millions of people? Well, c'est la vie. Live with it and find another game to play.